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Retro 5 & Diner chain looks to growRetro 5 & Diner chain looks to grow

Bret Thorn, Senior Food Editor

November 22, 2011

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Bob Watson, owner of the 5 & Diner restaurant chain, is hoping to tap into customer nostalgia as he relaunches the retro restaurant chain.

5 & Diner began serving classic diner food — burgers, fries, shakes, meat loaf, pot roast, turkey dinners and eggs — in Phoenix, Ariz., in 1989, in a setting reminiscent of the ’50s and ’60s. Greeters wear poodle skirts and servers have change dispensers on their belts. The jukeboxes play music from the era and the restaurants are decorated with Elvis Presley, James Dean and Marilyn Monroe paraphernalia.

The average check is just over $10, and no alcohol is served.

Watson is a veteran of the contract feeding sector who previously led the hospitality management firm LPM Holding Company. He and his wife and business partner, Laurie Watson, got involved with 5 & Diner in 2006, when they opened a franchise in Worcester, Mass.

Soon after, the original franchisor decided to sell the business.

“So we negotiated with him and bought it in 2008,” Bob Watson said.

They also bought the original flagship restaurant in Phoenix as part of the deal, while the other 10 units are franchised.

Now Watson is looking to expand the concept with some reengineering.

Although seven of the 12 units currently are in the Phoenix area, Watson is concentrating the chain’s expansion on the East Coast, particularly New York, New Jersey and Pennsylvania, which he says are the diner capitals of the world.

“We think it will do well in that marketplace,” he said.

But he also knows that with an average unit sales volume of $1.1 million, spending $1 million to build a freestanding unit makes for a difficult business proposition.

“But if you can spend $400,000 to $500,000 and locate in a shopping center, that can be a decent living for a family,” he said.

Watson said he’s following the example of Five Guys Burgers and Fries in aiming for inline restaurants rather than freestanding units. And he doesn’t see much competition in the nostalgic diner space.

“Johnny Rockets is cool,” he said of the 237 unit diner-themed family-dining chain, “but it has a very limited menu. We’re a real diner.”

5 & Diner’s best selling item is the Big Bopper hamburger, made with two half-pound beef patties. The pot roast and Cadillac meat loaf are also popular. The latter is topped with a molasses glaze, chopped bacon, chopped mushrooms and onion straws.

Watson added that the timing is right for a throwback diner.

“I didn’t have a lot to worry about in the [early] ’60s. It was a good time in America. And we hear all the time from customers that they really do feel like they’re going back to the ’60s,” he said.

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About the Author

Bret Thorn

Senior Food Editor, Nation's Restaurant News

Senior Food & Beverage Editor

Bret Thorn is senior food & beverage editor for Nation’s Restaurant News and Restaurant Hospitality for Informa’s Restaurants and Food Group, with responsibility for spotting and reporting on food and beverage trends across the country for both publications as well as guiding overall F&B coverage. 

He is the host of a podcast, In the Kitchen with Bret Thorn, which features interviews with chefs, food & beverage authorities and other experts in foodservice operations.

From 2005 to 2008 he also wrote the Kitchen Dish column for The New York Sun, covering restaurant openings and chefs’ career moves in New York City.

He joined Nation’s Restaurant News in 1999 after spending about five years in Thailand, where he wrote articles about business, banking and finance as well as restaurant reviews and food columns for Manager magazine and Asia Times newspaper. He joined Restaurant Hospitality’s staff in 2016 while retaining his position at NRN. 

A magna cum laude graduate of Tufts University in Medford, Mass., with a bachelor’s degree in history, and a member of Phi Beta Kappa, Thorn also studied traditional French cooking at Le Cordon Bleu Ecole de Cuisine in Paris. He spent his junior year of college in China, studying Chinese language, history and culture for a semester each at Nanjing University and Beijing University. While in Beijing, he also worked for ABC News during the protests and ultimate crackdown in and around Tiananmen Square in 1989.

Thorn’s monthly column in Nation’s Restaurant News won the 2006 Jesse H. Neal National Business Journalism Award for best staff-written editorial or opinion column.

He served as president of the International Foodservice Editorial Council, or IFEC, in 2005.

Thorn wrote the entry on comfort food in the Oxford Encyclopedia of Food and Drink in America, 2nd edition, published in 2012. He also wrote a history of plated desserts for the Oxford Companion to Sugar and Sweets, published in 2015.

He was inducted into the Disciples d’Escoffier in 2014.

A Colorado native originally from Denver, Thorn lives in Brooklyn, N.Y.

Bret Thorn’s areas of expertise include food and beverage trends in restaurants, French cuisine, the cuisines of Asia in general and Thailand in particular, restaurant operations and service trends. 

Bret Thorn’s Experience: 

Nation’s Restaurant News, food & beverage editor, 1999-Present
New York Sun, columnist, 2005-2008 
Asia Times, sub editor, 1995-1997
Manager magazine, senior editor and restaurant critic, 1992-1997
ABC News, runner, May-July, 1989

Education:
Tufts University, BA in history, 1990
Peking University, studied Chinese language, spring, 1989
Nanjing University, studied Chinese language and culture, fall, 1988 
Le Cordon Bleu Ecole de Cuisine, Cértificat Elémentaire, 1986

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