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Nancy Kruse, Bret Thorn discuss the evolution of fusion cuisineNancy Kruse, Bret Thorn discuss the evolution of fusion cuisine

In a monthly series, menu trend analyst Nancy Kruse and NRN senior food editor Bret Thorn debate current trends in the restaurant industry. For this installment, they talk about the evolution of fusion cuisine.

Bret Thorn, Nancy Kruse

February 26, 2015

7 Min Read
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NRN senior food editor Bret Thorn

Bret Thorn: Nancy, lately I’ve noticed a lot of chains introducing what are being called “culinary mashups,” in which different dishes from different cuisines are fused together. There’s the nacho burger at Applebee’s, and the cheeseburger burrito at California Tortilla, and a chain based in Boston called Boloco that last November introduced the Late November Burrito, which is basically a Thanksgiving dinner wrapped up in a tortilla. They might be called mashups, but it seems to me that it’s the same thing as fusion.

Nancy Kruse: I agree with you, Bret. But while a lot of people might tout the return of fusion, from my point of view it never really went away. In fact, I think fusion is really fundamental to American cuisine. From the time the first wave of immigrants arrived on our shores, they had to integrate their native foods with the ingredients that they found here. All of this came together and we ended up with a population of American consumers who were absolutely comfortable with the notion of what we’re now calling fusion.

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Thorn: That reminds me of an origin story I heard about corned beef and cabbage: Irish immigrants to New York saw Jewish corned beef and thought it would be a good substitute for the “boiler bacon” they cooked with cabbage.

Kruse: That’s kind of like Italian-American cuisine, a lot of which started on the Lower East Side of New York, where Italian immigrants found some new things that they hadn’t worked with before.

Thorn: Or the spicy tuna roll. I’ve heard different stories about how it originated but the one I believe the most is that a Mexican-American in Los Angeles created it.

Kruse Company president Nancy Kruse

Kruse: Something like that is probably what gave rise to an item on the menu at one of Guy Fieri’s restaurants. It’s a sashimi wonton taco.

Thorn: He also has Italian nachos in his restaurant here in New York City. They’re pretty good. Their flavor kind of reminded me of packaged pizza rolls.

Kruse: Well, the basic elements are so comfortable and accessible to the American consumer — a little bit of nacho and a little bit of tomato sauce and a little bit of garlic or whatever other ingredients you’re making it out of.

Thorn: If my sources are correct, the term “fusion,” when it comes to food, goes back to the 1980s and was derived from the idea of fusion jazz, which is a combination of jazz and rock. Chef Norman Van Aken, one of the members of the Mango Gang in Miami, took a look at the various Caribbean cuisines around him and applied his fine dining techniques to local dishes, and called it fusion. Then the term evolved to mean any combination of whatever different cuisines people felt like mixing together.
But the term fell out of fashion pretty quickly, and people started talking about “fusion confusion.”

Kruse: That’s because so much of it was so badly done. While Norman Van Aken was really at the forefront of the whole fusion movement in South Florida, on the West Coast at about the same time Wolfgang Puck was doing similar kinds of a gastronomic tricks with Chinese and French and California ingredients at his restaurant, Chinois On Main. They mixed a fundamental understanding of technique with a fundamental respect for ingredients so that when you got to the finished dish it was greater than the sum of its parts.

I think the “con-fusion” arose when chefs who didn’t have the talent, the discipline or the experience went overboard. I’m thinking of very young chefs trying to establish themselves and pushing the envelope a little bit too hard so that you ended up with fusion dishes that were self-conscious, expensive or unpalatable.

I think one of the byproducts of that backlash against fusion was a re-emphasis on the importance of basic techniques as a starting point for whatever you’re going to do in the kitchen, fusion or non-fusion.

Globalization of fusion

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Thorn: So, you might start out with classic French techniques and then realize, as Jean-Georges Vongerichten did, for example, that soy sauce and butter are delicious together. But he already had that culinary foundation and so could expand the palette of ingredients he was working with.

Kruse: Right. I think those chefs have a basic respect both for the fundamental elements of the cuisine and for the ingredients they’re working with.

Thorn: Even though fusion cuisine gets a bad rap, it keeps coming back. Why do you think that is the case?

Kruse: The first reason is globalization. We tend to think of globalization in terms of influence on business sectors like manufacturing or finance, but in fact it’s had a real impact on our pantries, opening the door to a whole new world of herbs and spices and sauces and so on.

I also think there is a whole new generation of chefs who missed out on that era of con-fusion and they’ve been very smart about their approach to mixing and matching and playing with food. I’m thinking specifically of somebody like chef José Andrés, who has a place in The Cosmopolitan in Las Vegas called China Poblano. On the website, he talks about how he’s put two cuisines together. “They live side by side, not as fusion, but as an amusing mix of elements from both Latin and Chinese traditions.” I can’t think of too many chefs besides José Andrés who could get away with making a statement like that, but I think it speaks to his pragmatic and open-minded approach.

And finally, there’s a whole new generation of diners, many of whom grew up in homes that had mixed culinary traditions. I think they‘re very comfortable with chefs who will follow that same path. In New Orleans, there’s a very hot operation called MoPho, which is Southeast Asian food by way of New Orleans, so you find stuff like grilled chicken paillard with baby mustard greens and nuoc cham vinaigrette, which is based on Vietnamese fish sauce.

Thorn: Do you think the success of places like that flies in the face of the notion that restaurant goers are looking for authentic food? I’m not sure what the word authentic means, but how can you have something that is simultaneously authentic that also blends the cuisines of different cultures together?

Kruse: It’s not really an either/or proposition. American consumers are very good at behaving in contradictory ways when it comes to food consumption, and to me the notion of fusion, whether you call it fusion or mashup or whatever, is going to cook right along on one track, and riding alongside it on a parallel track will be demand that will probably grow for authenticity.

Thorn: I wonder if we might look at different ways of defining authentic food. For example, maybe a spicy tuna roll isn’t authentic Japanese food, but it’s definitely authentic Los Angeles food, just as Italian-American food might not be authentic Italian food, but it’s absolutely authentic New York food.

Kruse: And doesn’t that take us back full circle to where we started when we were talking about how American cuisine at its very core is by nature a fusion, a mashup, a conglomeration, a real melting pot? And maybe the term authenticity doesn’t really ever need to be brought to bear relative to those kinds of items because they’re truly American whether they’re authentically Japanese, Italian or anything else.

Thorn: And maybe we also don’t necessarily need to worry about whether something is fusion or not. I mean, it is food that tastes good, and wherever it might come from doesn’t necessarily make any difference. Maybe we will someday enter a post-fusion era where we don’t even think about it.

Kruse: And that’s a good thing because it’ll also then probably be the post con-fusion era, and everyone will be so relieved to hear that.

Contact Bret Thorn at [email protected]
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Nancy Kruse, president of the Kruse Company, is a menu trends analyst based in Atlanta and a regular contributor to Nation’s Restaurant News.
E-mail her at [email protected]

About the Authors

Bret Thorn

Senior Food Editor, Nation's Restaurant News

Senior Food & Beverage Editor

Bret Thorn is senior food & beverage editor for Nation’s Restaurant News and Restaurant Hospitality for Informa’s Restaurants and Food Group, with responsibility for spotting and reporting on food and beverage trends across the country for both publications as well as guiding overall F&B coverage. 

He is the host of a podcast, In the Kitchen with Bret Thorn, which features interviews with chefs, food & beverage authorities and other experts in foodservice operations.

From 2005 to 2008 he also wrote the Kitchen Dish column for The New York Sun, covering restaurant openings and chefs’ career moves in New York City.

He joined Nation’s Restaurant News in 1999 after spending about five years in Thailand, where he wrote articles about business, banking and finance as well as restaurant reviews and food columns for Manager magazine and Asia Times newspaper. He joined Restaurant Hospitality’s staff in 2016 while retaining his position at NRN. 

A magna cum laude graduate of Tufts University in Medford, Mass., with a bachelor’s degree in history, and a member of Phi Beta Kappa, Thorn also studied traditional French cooking at Le Cordon Bleu Ecole de Cuisine in Paris. He spent his junior year of college in China, studying Chinese language, history and culture for a semester each at Nanjing University and Beijing University. While in Beijing, he also worked for ABC News during the protests and ultimate crackdown in and around Tiananmen Square in 1989.

Thorn’s monthly column in Nation’s Restaurant News won the 2006 Jesse H. Neal National Business Journalism Award for best staff-written editorial or opinion column.

He served as president of the International Foodservice Editorial Council, or IFEC, in 2005.

Thorn wrote the entry on comfort food in the Oxford Encyclopedia of Food and Drink in America, 2nd edition, published in 2012. He also wrote a history of plated desserts for the Oxford Companion to Sugar and Sweets, published in 2015.

He was inducted into the Disciples d’Escoffier in 2014.

A Colorado native originally from Denver, Thorn lives in Brooklyn, N.Y.

Bret Thorn’s areas of expertise include food and beverage trends in restaurants, French cuisine, the cuisines of Asia in general and Thailand in particular, restaurant operations and service trends. 

Bret Thorn’s Experience: 

Nation’s Restaurant News, food & beverage editor, 1999-Present
New York Sun, columnist, 2005-2008 
Asia Times, sub editor, 1995-1997
Manager magazine, senior editor and restaurant critic, 1992-1997
ABC News, runner, May-July, 1989

Education:
Tufts University, BA in history, 1990
Peking University, studied Chinese language, spring, 1989
Nanjing University, studied Chinese language and culture, fall, 1988 
Le Cordon Bleu Ecole de Cuisine, Cértificat Elémentaire, 1986

Email: [email protected]

Social Media:
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/bret-thorn-468b663/
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Twitter: @foodwriterdiary
Instagram: @foodwriterdiary

Nancy Kruse

President, The Kruse Company

Nancy Kruse is a nationally recognized authority and widely quoted expert on food and menu trends. As founder and president of The Kruse Company in Atlanta, Georgia, she tracks the trends and reports on hot-button issues in both the restaurant and supermarket industries.

 A prolific food writer, Nancy is a contributor to Nation’s Restaurant News and Restaurant Hospitality magazines. In demand as a speaker, she regularly addresses restaurant associations, major supermarket and restaurant companies, food manufacturers and promotion boards both here and abroad.

Prior to founding her own company, she served as executive vice president for Technomic, Inc., where she conducted a wide range of consulting assignments for Fortune 500 food and restaurant companies. 

Nancy earned a Master of Arts degree from the Film School of Northwestern University, and she was a Woodrow Wilson fellow in Russian literature at the University of Wisconsin. She has also completed coursework at the Culinary Institute of America, where she has served as guest lecturer. And she has been named one of the Top 100 Influencers in the US by business-networking site LinkedIn.  

 

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