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Chef Kunio Tokuoka on making a meal an experienceChef Kunio Tokuoka on making a meal an experience

Bret Thorn, Senior Food Editor

November 29, 2010

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Kunio Tokuoka is the third-generation chef-owner of Kyôto Kitcho, a restaurant in Kyoto specializing in kaiseki, a tasting-menu style of very high-end fine dining that focuses on using excellent, seasonal ingredients.  He now also operates two other restaurants in Japan and a fourth restaurant in Singapore. During the recent Worlds of Flavor conference at The Culinary Institute of America, he sat down with Nation's Restaurant News and shared his observations about customer service and the proper pacing of a fine-dining meal.

Is there a particular structure to a kaiseki meal?

Our first course is intended to spark the diners’ curiosity and stimulate their appetite. Next we serve a simple soup, which is intended to gauge the customer’s taste. If it’s too salty, for example, we keep that in mind for the rest of the meal, and of course we continue to adjust the meal based on their taste. I adjust portion sizes, and of course I ask if there’s anything they don’t eat. And obviously if we see something they don’t like, we change it.

Right, but are customers always honest with their answers? Aren’t they likely just to be polite and tell you that the food’s good?

It’s not about their saying whether the food is good or not. We want to strike their emotions. We want to bring tears to their eyes. You can’t fake that. Of course it’s also a good sign if they talk about the food.

Next is fresh fish, to show our very freshest ingredients. Sometimes its raw, sometimes its seared or broiled on the outside. Sometimes we serve four different kinds of fish separately, sometimes they’re all served together. We also change the beverage pairing. Sometimes we serve sake, but if they prefer to drink wine then we served cooked fish, or we cook something dramatic in front of them, like abalone on a hot stone with an abalone liver dipping sauce.

Then we give the customers a break with something small and simple, such as a chawan mushi [egg-and-seafood custard].

Then we do something with strong visual impact that expresses the season. That’s the hasun, which in a traditional tea ceremony is an offering to a god.

On the plate will be something from the mountain and the sea, and that combination represents the entire universe.

Up to that point in a tea ceremony, the host doesn’t talk, but just serves the guest. After the hasun is served, the host brings the sake and the guest and the host eat together from then on. That’s when the conversation starts. It’s a dish that’s supposed to be both stimulating and relaxing.

When the hasun is served, sometimes we change the lighting in the room. We might turn them down and set the table with lanterns made from daikon with candles in them.

If it’s a couple that’s dining, we might just keep the lights low to make for a more romantic evening. It depends on what the server thinks the customers would prefer.

Next comes broiled meat, then cooked vegetables, a marinated course, and finally rice, followed by fruit and sweets.

Besides the food and the lighting, are there other things you do to make the dining experience special?

I went to see a psychology professor from Kyoto University to see what was the most important thing we could do to move our customers emotionally.

He said there must be a gap between reality and their experience in the restaurant. It’s like when you see a movie and follow the actions of the hero. That helps you forget the stress in your own life by taking you somewhere else.

We try to do the same thing with the dining experience — to make it very different from their normal lives, and we try a lot of different things to do that.

The servers talk to the guests slowly and very politely. That helps them slow down their pace, and to make time appear to move more slowly, unlike daily life which is so high-speed.

The first year we tried this approach, three customers cried.

We are also very careful about our phrasing. We use words that stimulate the customers’ imaginations. Whenever we communicate with them, we want them to feel like it’s an extraordinary experience.

Contact Bret Thorn at [email protected].

About the Author

Bret Thorn

Senior Food Editor, Nation's Restaurant News

Senior Food & Beverage Editor

Bret Thorn is senior food & beverage editor for Nation’s Restaurant News and Restaurant Hospitality for Informa’s Restaurants and Food Group, with responsibility for spotting and reporting on food and beverage trends across the country for both publications as well as guiding overall F&B coverage. 

He is the host of a podcast, In the Kitchen with Bret Thorn, which features interviews with chefs, food & beverage authorities and other experts in foodservice operations.

From 2005 to 2008 he also wrote the Kitchen Dish column for The New York Sun, covering restaurant openings and chefs’ career moves in New York City.

He joined Nation’s Restaurant News in 1999 after spending about five years in Thailand, where he wrote articles about business, banking and finance as well as restaurant reviews and food columns for Manager magazine and Asia Times newspaper. He joined Restaurant Hospitality’s staff in 2016 while retaining his position at NRN. 

A magna cum laude graduate of Tufts University in Medford, Mass., with a bachelor’s degree in history, and a member of Phi Beta Kappa, Thorn also studied traditional French cooking at Le Cordon Bleu Ecole de Cuisine in Paris. He spent his junior year of college in China, studying Chinese language, history and culture for a semester each at Nanjing University and Beijing University. While in Beijing, he also worked for ABC News during the protests and ultimate crackdown in and around Tiananmen Square in 1989.

Thorn’s monthly column in Nation’s Restaurant News won the 2006 Jesse H. Neal National Business Journalism Award for best staff-written editorial or opinion column.

He served as president of the International Foodservice Editorial Council, or IFEC, in 2005.

Thorn wrote the entry on comfort food in the Oxford Encyclopedia of Food and Drink in America, 2nd edition, published in 2012. He also wrote a history of plated desserts for the Oxford Companion to Sugar and Sweets, published in 2015.

He was inducted into the Disciples d’Escoffier in 2014.

A Colorado native originally from Denver, Thorn lives in Brooklyn, N.Y.

Bret Thorn’s areas of expertise include food and beverage trends in restaurants, French cuisine, the cuisines of Asia in general and Thailand in particular, restaurant operations and service trends. 

Bret Thorn’s Experience: 

Nation’s Restaurant News, food & beverage editor, 1999-Present
New York Sun, columnist, 2005-2008 
Asia Times, sub editor, 1995-1997
Manager magazine, senior editor and restaurant critic, 1992-1997
ABC News, runner, May-July, 1989

Education:
Tufts University, BA in history, 1990
Peking University, studied Chinese language, spring, 1989
Nanjing University, studied Chinese language and culture, fall, 1988 
Le Cordon Bleu Ecole de Cuisine, Cértificat Elémentaire, 1986

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